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	<title>Comments on: Joint Statement with Attorneys General, NCMEC</title>
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		<title>By: Queen Bee</title>
		<link>http://blog.craigslist.org/2008/11/joint-statement-with-attorneys-general-ncmec/#comment-10638</link>
		<dc:creator>Queen Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised at the number of responses who are for removing the ERS area on CL.  Is it actually possible that those in favor will somehow eliminate sexually related commerce by "banning" posts on one website?  Really?  It seems it is yet another case of "not in my back yard".   "Gee, if these providers can't post on CL then the 'problem' ceases to exist".  Perhaps in your little mind.  Ever hear of object permanence?  Described as a child's concept that an object they can not see no longer exists, causing distress.  They soon learn that objects are permanent and do not, in fact disappear. Most 1 year olds grasp this concept!  Are YOU smarter than a 1 year old???

Spare me the fact there may or may not be sex!  People, we are are alive as a direct product of sex.  In fact I recall reading the in humans sex drive is only second to hunger behaviorally!  

There is a matter of supply and demand.  You can NOT blame the Escorts, for if not for clients flashing the almighty dollar they would not exist.  Of course the inverse is also true, where a lonely heart wishes for some arrangement, there is a person willing to offer companionship.  All relationships are reciprocal. Money is BUT one of many things that are exchanged in most if not all relationships.   

Don't sanction Erotic Services? Great vote by refusing to participate.  Just like other entertainment. Don't rent, buy or cruise for Pornography.  Trust me if the TRUE majority agreed then the "problem" would cease to exist!  Typically a vocal minority, often with fiscal power or politial influence ACT as if they are a majority.  I know there are those who, like myself, support adult entertainment but don't have the time, money or stamina to stand in support.   


Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it!  Prohibition was a gigantic failure. It is ludicrous to believe that morality can be legislated.  So this trickle down measure based on the pressures for some 40 odd District At tourneys focused on CL is not surprising, it smack of prohibitionism!   They are attempting to subjugate a form of human sexual behavior that a portion of society arbitrarily deemed unacceptable.   Just as prohibiting alcohol was a miserable failure, prohibiting by law or policy the business of Adult Entertainment is literally implausible.

In short, I will chose the value of my person, and my sexuality.  I do not want government attempting to legislate my sexuality outside the confines of consent!  

Necessity is the mother of invention.  CL may play with these new rules, but the power of demand and ingenuity of numerous providers and customers will result in new and perhaps better options as to disseminating the information known as a post in ERS!!

Have a better mousetrap?  Love to hear about it!  Email me at Good2BetheQueen@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised at the number of responses who are for removing the ERS area on CL.  Is it actually possible that those in favor will somehow eliminate sexually related commerce by &#8220;banning&#8221; posts on one website?  Really?  It seems it is yet another case of &#8220;not in my back yard&#8221;.   &#8220;Gee, if these providers can&#8217;t post on CL then the &#8216;problem&#8217; ceases to exist&#8221;.  Perhaps in your little mind.  Ever hear of object permanence?  Described as a child&#8217;s concept that an object they can not see no longer exists, causing distress.  They soon learn that objects are permanent and do not, in fact disappear. Most 1 year olds grasp this concept!  Are YOU smarter than a 1 year old???</p>
<p>Spare me the fact there may or may not be sex!  People, we are are alive as a direct product of sex.  In fact I recall reading the in humans sex drive is only second to hunger behaviorally!  </p>
<p>There is a matter of supply and demand.  You can NOT blame the Escorts, for if not for clients flashing the almighty dollar they would not exist.  Of course the inverse is also true, where a lonely heart wishes for some arrangement, there is a person willing to offer companionship.  All relationships are reciprocal. Money is BUT one of many things that are exchanged in most if not all relationships.   </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t sanction Erotic Services? Great vote by refusing to participate.  Just like other entertainment. Don&#8217;t rent, buy or cruise for Pornography.  Trust me if the TRUE majority agreed then the &#8220;problem&#8221; would cease to exist!  Typically a vocal minority, often with fiscal power or politial influence ACT as if they are a majority.  I know there are those who, like myself, support adult entertainment but don&#8217;t have the time, money or stamina to stand in support.   </p>
<p>Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it!  Prohibition was a gigantic failure. It is ludicrous to believe that morality can be legislated.  So this trickle down measure based on the pressures for some 40 odd District At tourneys focused on CL is not surprising, it smack of prohibitionism!   They are attempting to subjugate a form of human sexual behavior that a portion of society arbitrarily deemed unacceptable.   Just as prohibiting alcohol was a miserable failure, prohibiting by law or policy the business of Adult Entertainment is literally implausible.</p>
<p>In short, I will chose the value of my person, and my sexuality.  I do not want government attempting to legislate my sexuality outside the confines of consent!  </p>
<p>Necessity is the mother of invention.  CL may play with these new rules, but the power of demand and ingenuity of numerous providers and customers will result in new and perhaps better options as to disseminating the information known as a post in ERS!!</p>
<p>Have a better mousetrap?  Love to hear about it!  Email me at <a href="mailto:Good2BetheQueen@gmail.com">Good2BetheQueen@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mary Andrews</title>
		<link>http://blog.craigslist.org/2008/11/joint-statement-with-attorneys-general-ncmec/#comment-10627</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is wonderful. I think it is a total disgrace that "women" charge men to have sex with them and that men are stupid enough to pay them. Gosh guys is that the only way some of you can get sex? Sad indeed. Practice pleasing ladies and they will be chasing after you and you certainly won't have to pay some hooker. Yes please keep the cheap hussies away!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is wonderful. I think it is a total disgrace that &#8220;women&#8221; charge men to have sex with them and that men are stupid enough to pay them. Gosh guys is that the only way some of you can get sex? Sad indeed. Practice pleasing ladies and they will be chasing after you and you certainly won&#8217;t have to pay some hooker. Yes please keep the cheap hussies away!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: mirZda</title>
		<link>http://blog.craigslist.org/2008/11/joint-statement-with-attorneys-general-ncmec/#comment-10616</link>
		<dc:creator>mirZda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering how long it would take the Nazi regime to regain a foothold of power.....who would have thought it would start with craigslist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering how long it would take the Nazi regime to regain a foothold of power&#8230;..who would have thought it would start with craigslist?</p>
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		<title>By: Rules</title>
		<link>http://blog.craigslist.org/2008/11/joint-statement-with-attorneys-general-ncmec/#comment-10607</link>
		<dc:creator>Rules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have posted in the erotic section before, but I follow the rules craigslist required. but 99% of the rest of you did not. so I am not sure why any of you are surprised by this.Thanks for ruining a good thing for the people that know how to follow the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have posted in the erotic section before, but I follow the rules craigslist required. but 99% of the rest of you did not. so I am not sure why any of you are surprised by this.Thanks for ruining a good thing for the people that know how to follow the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe B</title>
		<link>http://blog.craigslist.org/2008/11/joint-statement-with-attorneys-general-ncmec/#comment-10597</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's right American keep giving up your rights.  The Ghestopo is coming to a town near you.  Then "they" will be sleeping with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right American keep giving up your rights.  The Ghestopo is coming to a town near you.  Then &#8220;they&#8221; will be sleeping with you.</p>
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		<title>By: BLAZE IMAGES</title>
		<link>http://blog.craigslist.org/2008/11/joint-statement-with-attorneys-general-ncmec/#comment-10589</link>
		<dc:creator>BLAZE IMAGES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know , the $5 a post sucks, but for a change someone can see my ad without goin thru hundreds of posts before the see my ad and notice im a fair,attractive, good business woman. To everyone reading this stay smart,play it safe,be on your toes, and make the best of your ads while we can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know , the $5 a post sucks, but for a change someone can see my ad without goin thru hundreds of posts before the see my ad and notice im a fair,attractive, good business woman. To everyone reading this stay smart,play it safe,be on your toes, and make the best of your ads while we can.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmelle</title>
		<link>http://blog.craigslist.org/2008/11/joint-statement-with-attorneys-general-ncmec/#comment-10580</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's all a part of the New World Order. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all a part of the New World Order. <img src='http://blog.craigslist.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: A R</title>
		<link>http://blog.craigslist.org/2008/11/joint-statement-with-attorneys-general-ncmec/#comment-10560</link>
		<dc:creator>A R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, from scanning all of the replys, I think the score is 1 for CL and the rest against.

Jim Buckmaster has his head so far up the Attorney General's butt, if he yawned, you could see Jim's smiling face.       

Poor marketing decision, Jim.  You get a failing grade at taking the pulse of the community!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, from scanning all of the replys, I think the score is 1 for CL and the rest against.</p>
<p>Jim Buckmaster has his head so far up the Attorney General&#8217;s butt, if he yawned, you could see Jim&#8217;s smiling face.       </p>
<p>Poor marketing decision, Jim.  You get a failing grade at taking the pulse of the community!</p>
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		<title>By: this is only just one sign to come</title>
		<link>http://blog.craigslist.org/2008/11/joint-statement-with-attorneys-general-ncmec/#comment-10559</link>
		<dc:creator>this is only just one sign to come</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know one thing is for sure this isn't the only change that is going to happen, This is just a sign to yet is to be become in the near future in our country. 

some people may think!!! that we took a step forward which we did as all people, but you know who is going to try there best to help take a 2 steps back wards they have been doing it for years, the same that is doing this government. all of you watch yourselves and that doesn't stop here what you do and how you do it and what you say and how you say it. We as people are watched 24/7 by camera by writing and talking ip's
or any other form of communication that we use, about getting our info they already had it and can use it any time they want to.

this is about the mighty dollar. the only people that are going to really have to pay is the people that are paying for erotic services How ironic isn't it. just another reason for costs to raise. if there weren't people getting put in jail or going to court/ there would be a lot of jobs lost wouldn't there be now. watch out there coming on a higher level then ever
they are in a state of emergency right now. as we should know they don't like change and when there is they make the people suffer, every day we get closer as all people as far as race, gender, etc etc is every day they are farther apart.
together we stand and divided we fall.

I'm not happy with this watching people suffer not being able to go to school pay bills feed there kids supply there drug habit or any other thing people on here that NEED the money for. now people are going to find other means of getting money now like more robbing and stealing in our communities and crime on the streets. could be one of you saying what are you complaining about 5 dollars wtf and if i see you laying on the streets robbed bleeding I'm going to stand above you and say you got knocked the fuck out LOL. 

And you arrogant people out here saying why are people mad at paying 5 dollars well would you be able to live one day in there shoes? then you have the right to talk about anything close to what your saying. and remember what you said when you ask your parents for some money to help you get to the next check.

crime,drugs,robbing,stealing,hurting,killing is what they want anyway the plan is still in affect pls don't put down your guard down all of you be safe out there, watch your back because they don't have it for you.



about the people getting mad at cl for this it's not there fault really think about it. they were left with no choice in the matter it's all about money and politics. if they were against this you would of never heard of cl as far as erotic services. if you read the warning it said that they put erotic services in there to accommodate providers and the personals getting clogged with smut etc and what did people do clogged it with smut/
to sum this up in a nut shell blame yourself that made that too explicit ad as the cl rules said before this even came upon cl and then the government that has and will be screwing us for centuries.

and one more thing to the person talking about spelling get a job as a English teacher pls. I'm sure you would be a contribution to our society.

P&#38;L
Rico</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know one thing is for sure this isn&#8217;t the only change that is going to happen, This is just a sign to yet is to be become in the near future in our country. </p>
<p>some people may think!!! that we took a step forward which we did as all people, but you know who is going to try there best to help take a 2 steps back wards they have been doing it for years, the same that is doing this government. all of you watch yourselves and that doesn&#8217;t stop here what you do and how you do it and what you say and how you say it. We as people are watched 24/7 by camera by writing and talking ip&#8217;s<br />
or any other form of communication that we use, about getting our info they already had it and can use it any time they want to.</p>
<p>this is about the mighty dollar. the only people that are going to really have to pay is the people that are paying for erotic services How ironic isn&#8217;t it. just another reason for costs to raise. if there weren&#8217;t people getting put in jail or going to court/ there would be a lot of jobs lost wouldn&#8217;t there be now. watch out there coming on a higher level then ever<br />
they are in a state of emergency right now. as we should know they don&#8217;t like change and when there is they make the people suffer, every day we get closer as all people as far as race, gender, etc etc is every day they are farther apart.<br />
together we stand and divided we fall.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not happy with this watching people suffer not being able to go to school pay bills feed there kids supply there drug habit or any other thing people on here that NEED the money for. now people are going to find other means of getting money now like more robbing and stealing in our communities and crime on the streets. could be one of you saying what are you complaining about 5 dollars wtf and if i see you laying on the streets robbed bleeding I&#8217;m going to stand above you and say you got knocked the fuck out LOL. </p>
<p>And you arrogant people out here saying why are people mad at paying 5 dollars well would you be able to live one day in there shoes? then you have the right to talk about anything close to what your saying. and remember what you said when you ask your parents for some money to help you get to the next check.</p>
<p>crime,drugs,robbing,stealing,hurting,killing is what they want anyway the plan is still in affect pls don&#8217;t put down your guard down all of you be safe out there, watch your back because they don&#8217;t have it for you.</p>
<p>about the people getting mad at cl for this it&#8217;s not there fault really think about it. they were left with no choice in the matter it&#8217;s all about money and politics. if they were against this you would of never heard of cl as far as erotic services. if you read the warning it said that they put erotic services in there to accommodate providers and the personals getting clogged with smut etc and what did people do clogged it with smut/<br />
to sum this up in a nut shell blame yourself that made that too explicit ad as the cl rules said before this even came upon cl and then the government that has and will be screwing us for centuries.</p>
<p>and one more thing to the person talking about spelling get a job as a English teacher pls. I&#8217;m sure you would be a contribution to our society.</p>
<p>P&amp;L<br />
Rico</p>
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		<title>By: deej</title>
		<link>http://blog.craigslist.org/2008/11/joint-statement-with-attorneys-general-ncmec/#comment-10558</link>
		<dc:creator>deej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, i think it's outrageous that craigslist is willing to keep out names and credit card information on file for future (any time limit) use. I live here in SF, and i've been by the offices, i've seen how many people work there, and this opens you up to a whole new level that has previously, and thankfully, been ignored by your company. Not saying that Craigslist would ever be part of such a thing, but have we NOT been paying attention to the world media? Identity Theft is just ONE of the many things that we now have to worry about when posting. And say you can reasonably guarantee that our information is secure, okay, great...What's to stop you guys from selling our information to telemarketers...(like THOUSANDS of other companies weren't going to do either). It's great that the money will go to charity tho, if you MUST do it...but let's be honest, i'm sure there will be a few more smiles in the homes of craigslist employees this christmas due to charity. And i see no mention of how long our information (THEIR INFORMATION--CUZ I WON'T BE POSTING) will be kept in this top secret file that we're supposed to believe is completely secure before it is destroied. I'm all for catching criminals, making the bad guys pay, yadda yadda yadda, but we're just coming out of 8 years of Bush here. Does the words ABUSE OF AUTHORITY have any bells going off for the rest of you guys? Yeah, we're supposed to trust the Government to do what's right, maybe on a cold day in hell. 

And on another note, this charity thing bothers me because i've been fortunate and have been lucky to just need to post to pay bills every now and then, or for a little extra money for the weekend, but some out there haven't been. They're the one's who are going to really suffer. Do you think the homeless kid sitting on 18th and Castro begging for change, or the crowds of people in line at the library or GLBT center have credit cards? Some of them actually try to pull themselves out of despair, and off the streets by using your service. I've seen them do it. The old addage is that Charity begins at home. Well, look around our city, we need it. The FEW people, because i do agree there are some, that use your site for the wrong purposes should be singled out, should be banned from our communities in craigslist. But like your press release says, yours is a worldwide site now dealing with millions of people each year. If we placed fees on everything like that then why not just add another dollar or two onto the bridge toll because while you and I may not be speeding, somewhere on the bridge there is someone that the police aren't going to catch and ticket. Your decision to go with this plan of action shows that you're not willing to solve the actual problem by doing some actual work and come up with a reasonable solution you'd rather just punish everyone on your site. Thanks Craigslist, we appreciate the consideration. I just think you should remember that craigslist is a site that is only in existance because those people you choose to penalize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, i think it&#8217;s outrageous that craigslist is willing to keep out names and credit card information on file for future (any time limit) use. I live here in SF, and i&#8217;ve been by the offices, i&#8217;ve seen how many people work there, and this opens you up to a whole new level that has previously, and thankfully, been ignored by your company. Not saying that Craigslist would ever be part of such a thing, but have we NOT been paying attention to the world media? Identity Theft is just ONE of the many things that we now have to worry about when posting. And say you can reasonably guarantee that our information is secure, okay, great&#8230;What&#8217;s to stop you guys from selling our information to telemarketers&#8230;(like THOUSANDS of other companies weren&#8217;t going to do either). It&#8217;s great that the money will go to charity tho, if you MUST do it&#8230;but let&#8217;s be honest, i&#8217;m sure there will be a few more smiles in the homes of craigslist employees this christmas due to charity. And i see no mention of how long our information (THEIR INFORMATION&#8211;CUZ I WON&#8217;T BE POSTING) will be kept in this top secret file that we&#8217;re supposed to believe is completely secure before it is destroied. I&#8217;m all for catching criminals, making the bad guys pay, yadda yadda yadda, but we&#8217;re just coming out of 8 years of Bush here. Does the words ABUSE OF AUTHORITY have any bells going off for the rest of you guys? Yeah, we&#8217;re supposed to trust the Government to do what&#8217;s right, maybe on a cold day in hell. </p>
<p>And on another note, this charity thing bothers me because i&#8217;ve been fortunate and have been lucky to just need to post to pay bills every now and then, or for a little extra money for the weekend, but some out there haven&#8217;t been. They&#8217;re the one&#8217;s who are going to really suffer. Do you think the homeless kid sitting on 18th and Castro begging for change, or the crowds of people in line at the library or GLBT center have credit cards? Some of them actually try to pull themselves out of despair, and off the streets by using your service. I&#8217;ve seen them do it. The old addage is that Charity begins at home. Well, look around our city, we need it. The FEW people, because i do agree there are some, that use your site for the wrong purposes should be singled out, should be banned from our communities in craigslist. But like your press release says, yours is a worldwide site now dealing with millions of people each year. If we placed fees on everything like that then why not just add another dollar or two onto the bridge toll because while you and I may not be speeding, somewhere on the bridge there is someone that the police aren&#8217;t going to catch and ticket. Your decision to go with this plan of action shows that you&#8217;re not willing to solve the actual problem by doing some actual work and come up with a reasonable solution you&#8217;d rather just punish everyone on your site. Thanks Craigslist, we appreciate the consideration. I just think you should remember that craigslist is a site that is only in existance because those people you choose to penalize.</p>
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