Comments for craigslist blog http://blog.craigslist.org Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:21:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 Comment on Tables & Chairs by Tina http://blog.craigslist.org/2011/01/tables-chairs/#comment-756452 Tina Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:33:41 +0000 http://blog.craigslist.org/?p=173#comment-756452 I find two things very important to me when I am looking for a table, sideboard, credenza, stand, etc. Always post a picture and give measurements - length, width, height. If there is no picture, I do not click on the notice title. If the picture entices me and it is located not too far away and it is at a good price, I might ask for stats. If not,, I will move on. The easier the seller makes it for the "shopper", the more quickly the item will go. I find two things very important to me when I am looking for a table, sideboard, credenza, stand, etc. Always post a picture and give measurements - length, width, height. If there is no picture, I do not click on the notice title. If the picture entices me and it is located not too far away and it is at a good price, I might ask for stats. If not,, I will move on. The easier the seller makes it for the “shopper”, the more quickly the item will go.

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Comment on Legonaut, eh? by LAZ http://blog.craigslist.org/2012/01/legonaut-eh/#comment-756351 LAZ Wed, 01 Feb 2012 03:15:58 +0000 http://blog.craigslist.org/?p=178#comment-756351 Gonna be another year before see another post here? Gonna be another year before see another post here?

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Comment on CL-wannabe-sponsored “research” backfires by William K. [Craigslist User] http://blog.craigslist.org/2011/02/more-pay-to-play-research-from-aim/#comment-751138 William K. [Craigslist User] Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:50:39 +0000 http://blog.craigslist.org/?p=174#comment-751138 AIM & Oodle should go hide in the corner after that bogus research they did. I have been using Craigslist for over 2 years for my advertising and i have never once had a dangerous encounter with any client i have gotten from Craigslist. The fact that they said Craigslist is a cesspool for crime is laughable, and it is nothing short slander and wrongful accusations. If there is any site i trust its Craigslist! 100% the best site out there for what it does.... all others is simply a waste of time and effort. I will stand beside them till the end. Go Craigslist :) AIM & Oodle should go hide in the corner after that bogus research they did. I have been using Craigslist for over 2 years for my advertising and i have never once had a dangerous encounter with any client i have gotten from Craigslist. The fact that they said Craigslist is a cesspool for crime is laughable, and it is nothing short slander and wrongful accusations.

If there is any site i trust its Craigslist! 100% the best site out there for what it does…. all others is simply a waste of time and effort.

I will stand beside them till the end. Go Craigslist :)

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Comment on CL-wannabe-sponsored “research” backfires by cheryl http://blog.craigslist.org/2011/02/more-pay-to-play-research-from-aim/#comment-750018 cheryl Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:26:42 +0000 http://blog.craigslist.org/?p=174#comment-750018 Jim as per your comment on Mike's; your right. Besides who has time or money to spend in court?? Meg: You have a very good point. e-bay seams to be playing a little dirty, but I'm not a lawyer. Remember the old TV ad "An educated consumer is our best customer" ? (I believe it was for a mens clothing retailer.) I think that applies to CL along with some common sense!! HELLO !! I have had nothing but good experiences with CL. My room-mate and I both found this house we rent rooms in over a yr ago, and I have gotten work with local business owners through CL. I happen to appreciate CL's community service approach to doing business and that it's not only about PROFITS!! This country needs more people like that running business. I did find a scam on CL (same one I stumbled into yrs ago in a newspaper ad) so I played along, got documentation needed and turned it over to the Post Master. CL: do you have any job openings? Well keep up the good work I use you and only you. P.S. Notice CL has no advertising BS on their site?! Jim as per your comment on Mike’s; your right. Besides who has time or money to spend in court?? Meg: You have a very good point. e-bay seams to be playing a little dirty, but I’m not a lawyer.
Remember the old TV ad “An educated consumer is our best customer” ? (I believe it was for a mens clothing retailer.) I think that applies to CL along with some common sense!! HELLO !! I have had nothing but good experiences with CL. My room-mate and I both found this house we rent rooms in over a yr ago, and I have gotten work with local business owners through CL. I happen to appreciate CL’s community service approach to doing business and that it’s not only about PROFITS!! This country needs more people like that running business. I did find a scam on CL (same one I stumbled into yrs ago in a newspaper ad) so I played along, got documentation needed and turned it over to the Post Master. CL: do you have any job openings? Well keep up the good work I use you and only you. P.S. Notice CL has no advertising BS on their site?!

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Comment on CL-wannabe-sponsored “research” backfires by Jim http://blog.craigslist.org/2011/02/more-pay-to-play-research-from-aim/#comment-749374 Jim Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:29:31 +0000 http://blog.craigslist.org/?p=174#comment-749374 Forget comparing Craigslist to Oakland. I bet the statistics would show that Craigslist is safer than church. Forget comparing Craigslist to Oakland. I bet the statistics would show that Craigslist is safer than church.

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Comment on An Open Invitation to Rachel Lloyd by Tell the Truth http://blog.craigslist.org/2010/05/an-open-invitation-to-rachel-lloyd/#comment-346347 Tell the Truth Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:48:40 +0000 http://blog.craigslist.org/?p=150#comment-346347 Sex trafficking is illegal and the penalties are very severe. It is very difficult to force someone to be a sex slave, they would have to have 24 hour guards posted and be watched 365 days a year, 24 hours per day. Have the threat of violence if they refused, and have no one notice and complain to the authorities or police. They would need to hide from the general public yet still manage to see customers from the general public and not have the customers turn the traffickers in to the police. They would need to provide them with medical care, food, shelter, and have all their basic needs met. They would need to have the sex slaves put on a fake front that they enjoyed what they were doing, act flirtatious and do their job well. They would have to deal with the authorities looking for the missing women, and hide any money they may make, since it comes from illegal activity. They must do all of this while constantly trying to prevent the sex slaves from escaping and reporting them to the police. They would need to prevent the general public from reporting them into the police. This is extremely difficult to do, which makes this activity rare. These criminals would be breaking dozens of major laws not just one. Kidnapping itself is a serious crime. There are many laws against sex trafficking, sex slavery, kidnapping, sex abuse, rape, sexual harassment etc. If someone is behind it, they will be breaking many serious laws, be in big trouble, and will go to jail for many long years. And do you actually think that there is a long line of people who want to have a career as a sex slave kidnapping pimp? While there are some women who may be true victims. And it is possible for this to happen in rare situations. This is a small rare group of people and that the numbers and scale of this crime is exaggerated. The very nature of someone pulling off a kidnapping and forced sex for profit appears to be very difficult. Since it would be difficult this makes this crime rare. Not impossible, but extremely rare. And do you really think that millions of people are lining up to make a career out of being a illegal violent sex slave kidnapping pimp? A key point is that on the sidelines the adult prostitutes themselves are not being listened to. They oppose laws against prostitution. But no one wants to listen to the prostitutes themselves. Only to the self appointed experts that make up numbers and stories many of which have never met a real forced sex slave or if they did it was only a few. The media and government never ask the prostitutes themselves what would help them in terms of laws. Many women in the sex business are independent workers. They don’t have a pimp. They work for themselves, advertise themselves, and keep all the money for themselves. No one forces them, because there isn’t anyone to force them. They go out and find their own customers, set their own prices, and arrange everything by themselves. Sometimes they may employ others to help them, but these are not pimps. If for example, she hires an Internet web design company to make a website for her, does that make the web design company a pimp? If she pays a phone company for a phone to do business, does this make the phone company a pimp? If she puts an ad in the paper, does this make the editor a pimp? If she puts the money she makes into a bank account does this make the bank a pimp? A lot of anti prostitution groups would say yes. Everyone and everybody is a pimp. These groups make up lies, and false statistics that no one bothers to check. A big reason they do this is because it provides high paying jobs for them. They get big donations, and grants from the government, charity, churches, etc. to have these groups, and pay these high salaries of the anti prostitution workers. Sex Trafficking in Sports Events: Super Bowl 2011: According to the media hype There was supposed to be hundreds of thousands of under age child sex slaves kidnapped and forced to have sex with super bowl fans. At the Dallas Super Bowl 2011. WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL OF THEM???????????? It was all a big lie told by various anti-prostitution groups, Traffick911 and the Dallas Women’s Foundation, which are anti-prostitution groups that tell lies in order to get grant money from the government and charities to pay their high salaries. As proved in the link below: Top FBI agent in Dallas (Robert Casey Jr.) sees no evidence of expected spike in child sex trafficking: “Among those preparations was an initiative to prevent an expected rise in sex trafficking and child prostitution surrounding the Super Bowl. But Robert Casey Jr., special agent in charge of the FBI’s Dallas office, said he saw no evidence that the increase would happen, nor that it did. “In my opinion, the Super Bowl does not create a spike in those crimes,” he said. “The discussion gets very vague and general. People mixed up child prostitution with the term human trafficking, which are different things, and then there is just plain old prostitution.” http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/super-bowl/local/20110302-top-fbi-agent-in-dallas-praises-super-bowl-security-effort-sees-no-evidence-of-expected-spike-in-child-sex-trafficking.ece This myth of thousands or millions of underage sex slaves tries to make every sports fan a sex criminal. No matter what the sport is, or in what country it is in. Brian McCarthy isn't happy. He's a spokesman for the NFL. Every year he's forced to hear why his customers are adulterers and child molesters. Brian McCarthy says the sport/super bowl sex slave story is a urban legend, with no truth at all. == World Cup 2006 == Politicians, religious and aid groups, still repeat the media story that 40,000 prostitutes were trafficked into Germany for the 2006 world cup – long after leaked police documents revealed there was no truth at all in the tale. A baseless claim of 25,000 trafficking victims is still being quoted, recently, for example, by the Salvation Army in written evidence to the home affairs select committee, in which they added: "Other studies done by media have suggested much higher numbers.” Which has been proven by the German police to be completely false. Yet people still talk about these false numbers as if it were fact. ==World Cup 2010 == Again using the made up number of 40,000 prostitutes trafficked: The behavior of fans in South Africa has run contrary to what was predicted prior to the start of the tournament after David Bayever told World Cup organizers in March it was feared that up to 40,000 extra prostitutes could converge in the host nation to meet the expected demand. Bayever, deputy chairperson of South Africa's Central Drug Authority (CDA) that advises on drug abuse but also works with prostitutes, warned: "Forty-thousand new prostitutes. As if we do not have enough people of our own, we have to import them to ensure our visitors are entertained." But the tournament in 2010, if anything, has seen the modern-day soccer fan attracted to art galleries and museums over brothels. A trend that has seen a drop in revenue across the board for the prostitution industry, which is illegal in South Africa. "Zobwa," the chairperson of Sisonke -- an action group representing around 70 street prostitutes in Johannesburg -- said business had been down over the last month. "The World Cup has been devastating. We thought it was going to be a cash cow but it's chased a lot of the business away. It's been the worst month in my company's history," the owner and founder of one of Johannesburg's most exclusive escort companies told CNN. The Vancouver Olympics 2010: Again anti-prostitution groups lied and used the same figure of 40,000 or more sex slaves for the Vancouver Olympics. Again they were proved wrong. There were no sex slaves at the Vancouver 2010 Olympics. In recent years, every time there has been a major international sporting event, a group of government officials, campaigning feminists, pliant journalists and NGOs have claimed that the movement of thousands of men to strange foreign countries where there will be lots of alcohol and horniness will result in the enslavement of women for the purposes of sexual pleasure. Obviously. And every time they have simply doubled the made-up scare figures from the last international sporting event, to make it look like this problem of sport/sex/slavery gets worse year on year. Yet each year it is proved false. This myth tries to make every sports fan a sex criminal. No matter what the sport is, or in what country it is in. These anti-prostitution groups need to in invent a victim that does not exist in order to get press attention. I do not like the idea of people getting the wrong information and believing lies, no matter what the topic is. The Sex trafficking, slavery issue is one of the biggest lies being told today. It is amazing to me how people will believe such lies so easily. The media is to blame for this. I wonder why they feel such a need to report wrong stats, numbers and information about this topic without doing proper research. While this may happen in very rare limited situations, the media will say that millions of people are sex slaves without doing any real research on the topic. Only taking the word of special interest anti-prostitution groups which need to generate money in the form of huge government grants from taxpayers, and charities. These "non profit" group's employees make huge salaries, therefore they need to lobby the government, and inflate and invent victims in order to get more money into their organizations. If you look into how many real kidnapped forced against their will sex slaves there are, and not just take the anti-prostitution groups word for it. You will be very surprised. Where are all the forced sex slaves? I would like to meet the millions of sex slaves and see for myself if they were in fact kidnapped, and forced against their will. These anti-prostitution groups lobby the government in a big way, getting Politicians to truly believe their lies. This is an attempt to over inflate an issue in order to get more government money to these organizations. As a tax payer, voter, and resident I don’t want the government to mislead me. I would like to see a news organization do a full report on the lies, myths and exaggerated numbers being told about sex trafficking slaves. The articles about the super bowl sex slaves, has been proved wrong many times, but news organizations still report about it, as if it were fact. Sex Trafficking in Sports Events links: http://www.dallasobserver.com/2011-01-27/news/the-super-bowl-prostitute-myth-100-000-hookers-won-t-be-showing-up-in-dallas/ http://www.dallasobserver.com/2011-03-03/news/super-bowl-prostitution-100-000-hookers-didn-t-show-but-america-s-latest-political-scam-did/ http://www.dallasobserver.com/2011-03-03/news/sex-traffick911-press-release/ The Sex Trafficking/Slavery idea is used to outlaw all adult consensual prostitution, and label all men as sex offenders and wipe out all consensual prostitution. This hurts any real victims because it labels all sex workers as victims. Everything I heard about this problem was Americans complaining about it, but I never heard from the so-called victims themselves complaining about it. Why is that? Many of the self appointed experts complaining about this have never even met or seen a real forced against their will victim. There is a lot of controversy over the numbers of adult woman who are forced sex slaves. The real factual answer is that no one knows. There is hard evidence that the sex slavery/sex trafficking issue continues to report false information and is greatly exaggerated by politicians, the media, and aid groups, feminist and religious organizations that receive funds from the government, The estimate of adult women who become new sex slaves ranges anywhere from 40 million a year to 5,000 per year all of which appear to be much too high. They have no evidence to back up these numbers, and no one questions them about it. Their sources have no sources, and are made up numbers. In fact if some of these numbers are to believed which have either not changed or have been increased each year for the past twenty years, all woman on earth would currently be sex slaves. Yet, very few real forced against their will sex slaves have been found. Here is some more information about this: http://sextraffickingtruths.blogspot.com/ http://bebopper76.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/sex-trafficking-lies-myths/ Sex trafficking is illegal and the penalties are very severe. It is very difficult to force someone to be a sex slave, they would have to have 24 hour guards posted and be watched 365 days a year, 24 hours per day. Have the threat of violence if they refused, and have no one notice and complain to the authorities or police. They would need to hide from the general public yet still manage to see customers from the general public and not have the customers turn the traffickers in to the police. They would need to provide them with medical care, food, shelter, and have all their basic needs met. They would need to have the sex slaves put on a fake front that they enjoyed what they were doing, act flirtatious and do their job well. They would have to deal with the authorities looking for the missing women, and hide any money they may make, since it comes from illegal activity. They must do all of this while constantly trying to prevent the sex slaves from escaping and reporting them to the police. They would need to prevent the general public from reporting them into the police.

This is extremely difficult to do, which makes this activity rare. These criminals would be breaking dozens of major laws not just one. Kidnapping itself is a serious crime. There are many laws against sex trafficking, sex slavery, kidnapping, sex abuse, rape, sexual harassment etc. If someone is behind it, they will be breaking many serious laws, be in big trouble, and will go to jail for many long years. And do you actually think that there is a long line of people who want to have a career as a sex slave kidnapping pimp? While there are some women who may be true victims. And it is possible for this to happen in rare situations. This is a small rare group of people and that the numbers and scale of this crime is exaggerated. The very nature of someone pulling off a kidnapping and forced sex for profit appears to be very difficult. Since it would be difficult this makes this crime rare. Not impossible, but extremely rare. And do you really think that millions of people are lining up to make a career out of being a illegal violent sex slave kidnapping pimp?

A key point is that on the sidelines the adult prostitutes themselves are not being listened to. They oppose laws against prostitution. But no one wants to listen to the prostitutes themselves. Only to the self appointed experts that make up numbers and stories many of which have never met a real forced sex slave or if they did it was only a few. The media and government never ask the prostitutes themselves what would help them in terms of laws.

Many women in the sex business are independent workers. They don’t have a pimp.
They work for themselves, advertise themselves, and keep all the money for themselves. No one forces them, because there isn’t anyone to force them. They go out and find their own customers, set their own prices, and arrange everything by themselves. Sometimes they may employ others to help them, but these are not pimps. If for example, she hires an Internet web design company to make a website for her, does that make the web design company a pimp? If she pays a phone company for a phone to do business, does this make the phone company a pimp? If she puts an ad in the paper, does this make the editor a pimp? If she puts the money she makes into a bank account does this make the bank a pimp?

A lot of anti prostitution groups would say yes. Everyone and everybody is a pimp.
These groups make up lies, and false statistics that no one bothers to check. A big reason they do this is because it provides high paying jobs for them. They get big donations, and grants from the government, charity, churches, etc. to have these groups, and pay these high salaries of the anti prostitution workers.

Sex Trafficking in Sports Events:

Super Bowl 2011:

According to the media hype There was supposed to be hundreds of thousands of under age child sex slaves kidnapped and forced to have sex with super bowl fans. At the Dallas Super Bowl 2011. WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL OF THEM????????????

It was all a big lie told by various anti-prostitution groups, Traffick911 and the Dallas Women’s Foundation, which are anti-prostitution groups that tell lies in order to get grant money from the government and charities to pay their high salaries. As proved in the link below:

Top FBI agent in Dallas (Robert Casey Jr.) sees no evidence of expected spike in child sex trafficking:

“Among those preparations was an initiative to prevent an expected rise in sex trafficking and child prostitution surrounding the Super Bowl. But Robert Casey Jr., special agent in charge of the FBI’s Dallas office, said he saw no evidence that the increase would happen, nor that it did.
“In my opinion, the Super Bowl does not create a spike in those crimes,” he said. “The discussion gets very vague and general. People mixed up child prostitution with the term human trafficking, which are different things, and then there is just plain old prostitution.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/super-bowl/local/20110302-top-fbi-agent-in-dallas-praises-super-bowl-security-effort-sees-no-evidence-of-expected-spike-in-child-sex-trafficking.ece

This myth of thousands or millions of underage sex slaves tries to make every sports fan a sex criminal. No matter what the sport is, or in what country it is in.

Brian McCarthy isn’t happy. He’s a spokesman for the NFL. Every year he’s forced to hear why his customers are adulterers and child molesters. Brian McCarthy says the sport/super bowl sex slave story is a urban legend, with no truth at all.

== World Cup 2006 ==
Politicians, religious and aid groups, still repeat the media story that 40,000 prostitutes were trafficked into Germany for the 2006 world cup – long after leaked police documents revealed there was no truth at all in the tale. A baseless claim of 25,000 trafficking victims is still being quoted, recently, for example, by the Salvation Army in written evidence to the home affairs select committee, in which they added: “Other studies done by media have suggested much higher numbers.” Which has been proven by the German police to be completely false. Yet people still talk about these false numbers as if it were fact.
==World Cup 2010 ==
Again using the made up number of 40,000 prostitutes trafficked:
The behavior of fans in South Africa has run contrary to what was predicted prior to the start of the tournament after David Bayever told World Cup organizers in March it was feared that up to 40,000 extra prostitutes could converge in the host nation to meet the expected demand. Bayever, deputy chairperson of South Africa’s Central Drug Authority (CDA) that advises on drug abuse but also works with prostitutes, warned: “Forty-thousand new prostitutes. As if we do not have enough people of our own, we have to import them to ensure our visitors are entertained.”

But the tournament in 2010, if anything, has seen the modern-day soccer fan attracted to art galleries and museums over brothels. A trend that has seen a drop in revenue across the board for the prostitution industry, which is illegal in South Africa. “Zobwa,” the chairperson of Sisonke — an action group representing around 70 street prostitutes in Johannesburg — said business had been down over the last month. “The World Cup has been devastating. We thought it was going to be a cash cow but it’s chased a lot of the business away. It’s been the worst month in my company’s history,” the owner and founder of one of Johannesburg’s most exclusive escort companies told CNN.

The Vancouver Olympics 2010:
Again anti-prostitution groups lied and used the same figure of 40,000 or more sex slaves for the Vancouver Olympics. Again they were proved wrong. There were no sex slaves at the Vancouver 2010 Olympics.

In recent years, every time there has been a major international sporting event, a group of government officials, campaigning feminists, pliant journalists and NGOs have claimed that the movement of thousands of men to strange foreign countries where there will be lots of alcohol and horniness will result in the enslavement of women for the purposes of sexual pleasure. Obviously. And every time they have simply doubled the made-up scare figures from the last international sporting event, to make it look like this problem of sport/sex/slavery gets worse year on year. Yet each year it is proved false.

This myth tries to make every sports fan a sex criminal. No matter what the sport is, or in what country it is in. These anti-prostitution groups need to in invent a victim that does not exist in order to get press attention.

I do not like the idea of people getting the wrong information and believing lies, no matter what the topic is. The Sex trafficking, slavery issue is one of the biggest lies being told today. It is amazing to me how people will believe such lies so easily. The media is to blame for this. I wonder why they feel such a need to report wrong stats, numbers and information about this topic without doing proper research.

While this may happen in very rare limited situations, the media will say that millions of people are sex slaves without doing any real research on the topic. Only taking the word of special interest anti-prostitution groups which need to generate money in the form of huge government grants from taxpayers, and charities. These “non profit” group’s employees make huge salaries, therefore they need to lobby the government, and inflate and invent victims in order to get more money into their organizations. If you look into how many real kidnapped forced against their will sex slaves there are, and not just take the anti-prostitution groups word for it. You will be very surprised.

Where are all the forced sex slaves? I would like to meet the millions of sex slaves and see for myself if they were in fact kidnapped, and forced against their will.

These anti-prostitution groups lobby the government in a big way, getting Politicians to truly believe their lies.

This is an attempt to over inflate an issue in order to get more government money to these organizations. As a tax payer, voter, and resident I don’t want the government to mislead me.

I would like to see a news organization do a full report on the lies, myths and exaggerated numbers being told about sex trafficking slaves. The articles about the super bowl sex slaves, has been proved wrong many times, but news organizations still report about it, as if it were fact.

Sex Trafficking in Sports Events links:
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2011-01-27/news/the-super-bowl-prostitute-myth-100-000-hookers-won-t-be-showing-up-in-dallas/
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2011-03-03/news/super-bowl-prostitution-100-000-hookers-didn-t-show-but-america-s-latest-political-scam-did/
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2011-03-03/news/sex-traffick911-press-release/

The Sex Trafficking/Slavery idea is used to outlaw all adult consensual prostitution, and label all men as sex offenders and wipe out all consensual prostitution.

This hurts any real victims because it labels all sex workers as victims. Everything I heard about this problem was Americans complaining about it, but I never heard from the so-called victims themselves complaining about it. Why is that? Many of the self appointed experts complaining about this have never even met or seen a real forced against their will victim.
There is a lot of controversy over the numbers of adult woman who are forced sex slaves. The real factual answer is that no one knows. There is hard evidence that the sex slavery/sex trafficking issue continues to report false information and is greatly exaggerated by politicians, the media, and aid groups, feminist and religious organizations that receive funds from the government, The estimate of adult women who become new sex slaves ranges anywhere from 40 million a year to 5,000 per year all of which appear to be much too high. They have no evidence to back up these numbers, and no one questions them about it. Their sources have no sources, and are made up numbers. In fact if some of these numbers are to believed which have either not changed or have been increased each year for the past twenty years, all woman on earth would currently be sex slaves. Yet, very few real forced against their will sex slaves have been found.

Here is some more information about this:

http://sextraffickingtruths.blogspot.com/

http://bebopper76.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/sex-trafficking-lies-myths/

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Comment on CL-wannabe-sponsored “research” backfires by J.R.Burris http://blog.craigslist.org/2011/02/more-pay-to-play-research-from-aim/#comment-346229 J.R.Burris Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:31:56 +0000 http://blog.craigslist.org/?p=174#comment-346229 It's tough when you're at the top. Everyone's out to get you! Once the "girls" started using CL everyone wanted in on criticizing you. That's life I guess, but you did need to defend against obvious lies about CL. That's all u can do. Informed people will simply ignore most of the "critics" anyway, so keep on doing the best u can to police your service, like always. It’s tough when you’re at the top. Everyone’s out to get you! Once the “girls” started using CL everyone wanted in on criticizing you. That’s life I guess, but you did need to defend against obvious lies about CL. That’s all u can do. Informed people will simply ignore most of the “critics” anyway, so keep on doing the best u can to police your service, like always.

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Comment on CL-wannabe-sponsored “research” backfires by Neg Meg http://blog.craigslist.org/2011/02/more-pay-to-play-research-from-aim/#comment-336005 Neg Meg Mon, 07 Mar 2011 21:03:53 +0000 http://blog.craigslist.org/?p=174#comment-336005 The work of Oodle and the AIM Group smells like eBay paying minions to smear craigslist before the upcoming San Francisco trial. Remember the AIM Group did many spin pieces for eBay too. http://aimgroup.com/blog/2010/09/09/split-ruling-tips-in-favor-of-ebay-over-craigslist-suit/ Oodle's eBay connection. http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y10/m01/i07/s02 Oodle to Connect Classifieds Accounts to eBay "Oodle was founded by former Excite and eBay executives" The work of Oodle and the AIM Group smells like eBay paying minions to smear craigslist before the upcoming San Francisco trial.

Remember the AIM Group did many spin pieces for eBay too.
http://aimgroup.com/blog/2010/09/09/split-ruling-tips-in-favor-of-ebay-over-craigslist-suit/

Oodle’s eBay connection.
http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y10/m01/i07/s02
Oodle to Connect Classifieds Accounts to eBay
“Oodle was founded by former Excite and eBay executives”

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Comment on CL-wannabe-sponsored “research” backfires by Sheba http://blog.craigslist.org/2011/02/more-pay-to-play-research-from-aim/#comment-328073 Sheba Mon, 28 Feb 2011 14:39:29 +0000 http://blog.craigslist.org/?p=174#comment-328073 Way to go Jim. You have stated your position well. Way to go Jim. You have stated your position well.

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Comment on CL-wannabe-sponsored “research” backfires by Phil http://blog.craigslist.org/2011/02/more-pay-to-play-research-from-aim/#comment-326379 Phil Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:04:38 +0000 http://blog.craigslist.org/?p=174#comment-326379 @Mike You said: "in propaganda wars, the only way to find out who won, is in court. Otherwise, you cannot prove your position, and your statements, including here, are for naught. If your position is defensible, then defend it in court. If you have been wronged, then take the matter to court." Sorry, but that's a load of nonsense. You must be a lawyer who stands to benefit financially from more lawsuits. The great majority of people think there are far too many lawsuits in this country already. Craigslist is doing it exactly right. The best way to convince the public in this day of easy dissemination of both fact and opinion is to state your own case publicly. If you have a good argument, everyone can read and decide for themselves. We don't need the 3rd-hand process whereby a news reporter tells us what 12 people on a jury decided after they heard lawyers argue-- in order to be able to reach our own conclusion about who is right. @Mike
You said: “in propaganda wars, the only way to find out who won, is in court. Otherwise, you cannot prove your position, and your statements, including here, are for naught. If your position is defensible, then defend it in court. If you have been wronged, then take the matter to court.”

Sorry, but that’s a load of nonsense. You must be a lawyer who stands to benefit financially from more lawsuits.

The great majority of people think there are far too many lawsuits in this country already.
Craigslist is doing it exactly right.

The best way to convince the public in this day of easy dissemination of both fact and opinion is to state your own case publicly. If you have a good argument, everyone can read and decide for themselves. We don’t need the 3rd-hand process whereby a news reporter tells us what 12 people on a jury decided after they heard lawyers argue– in order to be able to reach our own conclusion about who is right.

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